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Re: Erythritol Trinitrate « Result #4 on Dec 16, 2007, 5:34am »
I just noticed, (apparently no-one else has either), that the title of this thread say's erythritol trinitrate, where it should say tetranitrate. Anyway that being said here is my method of synthing ETN. Step 1 Prepare a nitration bath of 2 parts 98% H2SO4 to 1 part 70% HNO3. For this synth I used 150ml H2SO4 -- 75ml HNO3. measure out the H2SO4 place it in the reaction vessle, then place the vessle in a salt ice bath. Achieve the lowest temp your bath will get to, then slowly add the HNO3 so as to not let your temp jump,(I never let it get above 10 degrees celcius). When all the HNO3 is added allow your ice bath to cool it down below, or as close to zero as you can. Step 2 When your nitration mix is as close to or at zero, begin the addition of the erythritol. For this synth 25 grams. Add it about 1 gram or a little less at a time, constantly keeping an eye on the temp,I keep it between 0 and 5 the whole time, as well, keep a slow even stirring the whole time. It took me just under an hour to add all 25 grams. After adding the last of the erythritol I have a milky mixture around the consistency of thin cream. I allowed 17 mins of nitration time from the moment of the last addition of erythritol. Step 3 Now after allowing the mix to nitrate for 17 minutes, it was crashed into 2 litres of chilled distilled water. The ETN precipitated out like snow flakes. Step 4 Now it's time to filter and clean up. I use coffee filter's. Once all the crystals are collected, I give them a thorough wash with distiled water, then a thorough wash with NaHCO3, then a final thorough wash with distilled water. I don't bother to re-crystallize, as I believe with pure reactants this is not essential, and I have not yet come across a problem with stability,(very stable), or power. Using this method I recovered 22 and a bit grams of ETN from 25 grams of erythritol, and I lost a fair bit during filtering and cleaning, I believe my yield was very close to 100%. Now it's just a matter of drying your crystals and away you go. Here is the vid of the 22 grams of ETN from the above synth being detonated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt6hJ3stquM
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geez, thanks a lot,....... i'll try 'em.. but, then again.. i'm also hard to get hidrochloric acid though.. i guess, i will find the citric again, and ask 'em in the bakery shop....
If you can get sulfuric acid, you can make hydrochloric.
Here's a thread all about generating HCl (gas that is, although all you'd have to do it bubble it through water).
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Re: HMTD « Result #9 on Dec 3, 2007, 6:03am »
geez, thanks a lot,....... i'll try 'em.. but, then again.. i'm also hard to get hidrochloric acid though.. i guess, i will find the citric again, and ask 'em in the bakery shop....
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Re: HMTD « Result #10 on Dec 3, 2007, 5:16am »
There has been alot of discussion on whether or not other acids can be used for HMTD. Some say it is just the catalyst so other acids can be used, although the general concensus is that only citric acid works, it is the only acid I have used. You really should be able to get citric acid, in oz all it takes is a trip to the grocery store, but if you can't get it you can't get it. My advice would be to really look hard for citric, but if you can't find it I have found a synth that uses HCl, I have not tried this synth so I don't know if it will work, but hey there's only one way to find out. The reagents are. 23.5 grams of 30% H2O2 7 grams of hexamine 31.6 grams of 30% HCl The method is the same as the same as the citric acid synth, obviously temperature control would be more of an issue with the stronger acid. Give it a go but be carefull. Sorry the amounts are in grams rather than ml's, but it was the only synth I could find that didn't use citric acid. and that's how it was layed out. If you decide to give it a go and are having trouble converting the grams to ml's,( shouldn't be a problem if you have a good set of scales), yell out and i'll try to help.